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Question about system Oliver in England
Stenoadmin
PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:58 am
I've red about a cursive system in England called Oliver existing about 1930 and later. Do somebody know what happened with it or has some materials?
dawble
Joined: 12 Mar 2006 Posts: 4
PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: Stenoscript Reply with quote
First, can I say a big THANK YOU for putting all the documents online so that we can all share. I don't speak Bulgarian, but I know enough of the alphabet to sound the words out. The books you have put online have been very interesting.
George A. S. Oliver published 'Cursive Phonography' in 1913, and re-issued an improved version called 'Stenoscript' sometime later. It is a cursive system - a kind of mixture between the German systems of Stolze-Schrey and Scheithauer.
I have a pdf of Stenoscript which I would be more than happy to send you so that you can share it on this site. It is 5.5MB. Do you want me to try to email it to you, or is there some other way to upload it on to your site?
Regards,
Ian
Stenoadmin
PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:49 pm
Welcome! Thanx for registering and for the reply! I will give access via ftp to the site to you. This can take a time, so look in your private message.
I will tell you why I am interesting of this system but now I am very tired.
There will be more books in English too.
Regards!
dawble
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:39 pm
I once read an article from the International Shorthand Congress 1937, where "Dr George Botey" wrote about measuring how efficient shorthand systems were by (1) the time it takes to write a symbol, and (2) the number of movements for a word, syllable and sound.
Is this the same as the "G Botev" who you mention? Is this is why you are interested in the Oliver system? Just a guess!
If I've guessed correctly, it looks like he used an example from Stenoscript adapted to the French language (Origines de la Franc-Maconnerie", which I can also pdf for you if you'd like.
(I've emailed you about not being able to upload the other file)
Regards,
Ian
Stenoadmin
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:35 pm
Yes, you are right! George Botev is the same G. Botev. He made a calculation and decide the Gregg is the shorthest system and that was published but I have another information from his friend that Botev made a second calculation which shows that Oliver's system is at first place. This report was published at all world except here because of his enemyes. It was published in about 1976.
I will be happy if you share with me any shorthand materials. Smile
dawble
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:57 pm
That's really interesting! Especially because the system that Oliver released was only meant for business, not reporting. He said that a speed of up to 140 words a minute was possible. He apparently produced a "reporting style" although I don't think it was ever published.
Stenoadmin
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:46 pm
I am lucky you know that Smile It is interesting to see what other peoples did before a long time. Does this system exists yet?
Here in Bulgaria we have original systems some of them were never published or were published before a long time ago (such Ianko Todorov's system which is published in this site). It is excelent to have an access to such treasure. With your permission I will publish the books when ready.
Also it is interesting to see cursive systems for English, Spanish, French who used geometricall systems and geometrical for German, Bulgarian etc.
dawble
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:38 pm
As far as I know, Oliver's system was never used very much at all, and no one knows it now (until they read your site!)
I am very interested in cursive systems for English because, as you say, they are so unusual for this language! None of them have been used widely Sad
Here in the UK the systems Pitman and Teeline are the most used. I think in America it is Gregg.
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